The Retro Studios Star Fox Theory
Retro Studios is working on something unannounced, and has been since at least December 2011. Their track-building and asset creation for Mario Kart 7 finished with its release that month. However, new evidence posted today seems to indicate that some employees were working on something else during and after the development of Mario Kart 7. Actually this is very reasonable. Retro Studios only contributed art and design assets for a significant portion of the courses in Mario Kart 7. This begs the question: what were their programmers doing...?
Through various news reports in the past few months, and some from today, we're fairly certain that their current project...
- Is not a Zelda game (source)
- Is for the Wii U, a game "everyone wants us to do" (source)
- Has enemies and bosses (source)
- Has cutscenes (source)
- Has dynamic environment and weather effects (source)
- Very likely to have a non-photorealistic style (hand-drawn textures specifically) (source)
It's a game "everyone wants [them] to do", so it's not a new IP. It's not Zelda. It has bosses and enemies, so it's not a racer, but an action game of some kind. Could be a new Donkey Kong game, but they just finished one, and I haven't seen any major demand on that front, quality though it was. All the other IPs are either already well covered by other studios or don't match well with what we know. I think it comes down to either Metroid or Star Fox. There are a large number of people wanting a new Retro Studios game for both those IPs, myself included.
Then there was that major rumor from just before E3 about a Metroid/Star Fox Crossover game. In the end, it was retracted with the statement that, though they aren't working on a crossover game, it was considered for a time.
All of the evidence we've seen could apply equally well to Metroid or Star Fox, except one: the non-realistic style. That doesn't seem to fit either series too well. Since their beginning, with minor exceptions, both Metroid and Star Fox games have traditionally pushed graphical boundaries in realism. I'd like to propose a possible solution to this quandary.
Watch this video. It's a trailer for a game I've been keeping tabs on called EX Troopers.
See that? This game features cell shading, edge rendering, anime-styled characters, and effect and cutscenes inspired by manga panels. It looks fantastic in my humble opinion. What's great about this art style is that it's relatively cheap from a programming standpoint, which means you can have more enemies on screen and have larger environments you wouldn't be able to do if you spent more time making your rendering highly realistic. Non-photorealistic styles also have the advantage of never looking dated like more realistic games do. Wind Waker still looks just as good as it did the day it came out, but Ocarina of Time is looking pretty dated these days.
Is it too much of a stretch to say that Star Fox would be the perfect fit for this? You've already got cartoon animals in space ships, why isn't this already a manga? If I were going to make a Star Fox game, this is how I would make it. Not the gameplay, the anime-like graphical style. I held this view long before today's new information about the non-photorealistic style and hand-drawn textures came out. Weeks ago, I personally looked into what it would take to make an anime-style Star Fox game using my skills as a graphics programmer, and I found it very applicable. So I'm sure it will come as no surprise when I say that more than any other, I hope Retro's project is Star Fox.
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I know how u feel… I REALLY want a star fox game on the wii u… Yes the details matches both the games (except for non realistic design) but if it is a star fox game with non realistic character and level design then I might not buy it… It wouldn’t be the same
+1 to Kevin. Non realistic and anime style is for those who love that kind of stuff.
I’d like to see next SF with the same design as it was in Adventure and Assault… Even now both of those SF’s looks pretty good.
Star Fox really could really use a boost. The 3DS game was just a remake; fans are crying for a new entry in the series. I really hope this secret game by Retro Studios is another instalment in the series, otherwise Star Fox could end up joining Mega Man and co.
EX Troopers! Did I recognize some Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Japanese voice actors in there?
I wouldn’t mind what style the Star Fox game is in, if it is Star Fox. At least it isn’t the Unreal Engine, which has been heavily abused as of late. I could see both games in this anime style, though.
Hmm… I really would hate to see a star fox game in that style of animation… I would REALLY like to see it in unreal engine 4!!! That S*** would be AMAZING (after all, wii u supports it)
I do hope it’s Star Fox because we need Star Fox games this year or next year. That would be nice if it was indeed Star Fox/Metroid Crossover game. Even if it was Metroid again, I’d be very happy, but NO Sonic or other cruddy 3rd party games. Retro Studios is our only hope for Star Fox.
@master
Not quite. Unreal Engine 4 is not currently supporting Wii U. Epic has specifically said that they won’t be porting it, though someone else might try.
It’s not a simple matter of “it has support” or “it doesn’t have support.” Game engines are ridiculously complex as a whole, and just because you say it is running on a given platform doesn’t mean that you will get all of the features of the engine. What really matters is whether or not the platform is capable of a feature AND whether someone is willing to implement that feature. If either is missing, you don’t get that feature. As always, the most advanced features of an engine is typically the graphics portion.
@All
I’m kinda disappointed in those of you who express the sentiment that if a game isn’t photorealistic, it’s not worth playing. Having individual tastes is one thing, but disregarding a game because its graphical style is not like every other major game on the market? Seems strange to me. Graphics play a big role in making trailers and screenshots. They have little to do with the gameplay itself (see Pokemon).
Historically, Nintendo has never been a graphics-first company. Practically speaking, even the masters of that genre of graphical style are becoming more and more unable to support it due to the problem of diminishing returns (as you get more realistic, making it more realistic becomes exponentially harder, longer, and more expensive).
@mr.krystal
I’m only saying its about graphics because its Star Fox… We r used to the fact that it was photorealistic 3d animation… Having a new entry that isn’t that would be REALLY odd and most ppl wouldn’t be comfortable with it
I don’t agree, I think a anime star fox game would just look awful, i loved the graphic styling in adventures and assault, but hated the look in command, grated that was on a hand held console, but giving the new star fox game anime styling would just make it look tacky and childish and would ruin the serious nature that all star fox games have had since the very first game!
I didn’t take the time to read everyone’s comments, sorry, but what if its the possible crossover? That is what popped into my head. I hope that, as Kevin said, the graphics will be good but I have seen some really good anime in the past and if they get some good artists to work on the minor details or to make a great impression on the gamers memory that it would be to difficult to forget then it would hopefully a smash hit. I
As long as it doesn’t look like Command, I’m all good with whatever graphics come in future Starfox titles. True, Adventures and Assault were BEAUTIFUL looking games, and the graphics still hold up today, there’s nothing wrong with trying something new. And besides, we’re all good with anime-styled fanart … so … :P.
And I’ll say it again, as long as it doesn’t look as aweful as Command did >o>.
By the way, Mr.Krystal, I had to search on youtube to watch the video ^^;. Doesn’t seem to wanna work in Firefox.
@Ayama
Could you be more specific? I tried it in Firefox and it worked for me. What happened exactly?
I personally can’t wait until this game gets revealed. If it’s a Star Fox game, I shall mooch of somebody that owns it. Yes, I said mooch. I’m not gonna shell out a few hundred bucks for it (Wii U). I have no use for 5 gaming consoles. Since I rarely play anymore. But none the less, Nintendo shall deliver, they always have.
I have come up with a theory that fits in this theory… What if it is a star fox game BUT its not a new title. What I mean is they might make a star fox but create star fox 2 and actually release it or even a game between 64 and adventures. Just sayin
Personally I agree with you on this. I believe that this next game that Retro is working on has to be a new Starfox game. Not counting the ones on the DS and the 3DS, it has been 7 years since we have not seen a newest entry into the series and it is long overdue for a new one. It was unfortunate that the series never showed up on the Wii along with Pikmin(both the rerelases of the first 2 Pikmin games on the Wii don’t count) and F-Zero. Also, what we know from Retro’s latest project is that it is not Zelda, not a new Metroid game(since they have stated that they are done with the Metroid series and want to do something else that isn’t Metroid) and it is not a new DKC Returns game. So that all leaves down to Starfox since we fans of the series including me have been begging Nintendo to make a new one. Not to mention that next year is in fact the 20th anniversary of the series and that would be perfect for the Wii U. Even Shigeru Miyamoto(creator of Mario, Starfox and Zelda) has stated earlier this year that of all the franchises that he wants to see on the Wii U, Starfox is the one that he wants to see the most than any other of his franchises. If he managed to do it with Luigi’s Mansion 2(coming out for the 3DS), then I don’t see why it can’t be done with Starfox and Retro is the perfect studio to do it.
Ok I know that this is random but… I learned of this site from when I searched 3D star fox models… And then I saw the animation of the firefly (btw we’re there any other animations?) and I have to say that it has inspired me to further pursue my dream of being a 3D modeler… Thanks :)
I will reserve judgement until I am able ti watch the video.
Okay, that video looks pretty cool. And I misspelled “to” because I was typing on my 3DS late last night. I definitely think they’re working on a secret Star Fox game, and it sounds like they’re giving it a lot of attention.
I played starfox adventures with my friend for the first time in about 3 months yesterday. I feel happy and achieved.
OMG!!! I thought of something… If this game is a hand drawn anime style game it could only mean one thing… They making the star fox manga a game! It makes sense cause its a manga and metroid isn’t manga… Just sayin